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, fiscal cliff threatening the economy, but maybe not? we take it all up with moody's chief economist, and deutsche bank senior economist here next. stay with us. lou: you know, it may surprise some that december is historically the strongest month for investors. the s&p500 posting gains in december, 82% of the time since 1990. it's that 18% that should trouble folks, but are concerns with the fiscal cliff giving investors a reason to be less than optimistic? joining me is john, and carl, senior economist for deutsche bank. gentlemen, thank you for being here. start with the treasury secretary. the man in charge of our treasury is out telling everyone that the administration he works for is a part of is perfectly prepared to go over the fiscal cliff in order to raise a tax rate to 39.6%. does that make any sense to you? are you shocked, surprised? >> well, i guess i'm not surprised given we're in the early stages of the discussion, but for the economists and forecasters out there calling this is the fiscal slope, not a cliff or believe it's worthwhile to go over the cliff, it's not th
will hurt our economy and will cost american jobs. republicans have taken action to avert the fiscal cliff by passing legislation to stop all the tax hikes. to replace the sequester, and pave way for -- pave the way for tax reform and entitlement reform. and we're the only ones with a balanced plan to protect the economy, protect american jobs, and protect the middle class from the fiscal cliff. but without spending cuts and entitlement reforms, it's going to be impossible to address our country's debt crisis. and get our economy going again and to create jobs. so right now, all eyes are on the white house. the country doesn't need a victory lap. it needs leadership. it's time for the president, congressional democrats, to tell the american people what spending cuts they're really willing to make. with that i'll take a few questions. >> speaker boehner, why will you not tell democrats what specific spending cuts you would like to see, especially within en titlements? >> it's been very clear over the last year-and-a-half, i've talked to the president about many of them. you can can look at
said the obama administration is now willing to go over the fiscal cliff. moody's chief economist, deutsche bank senior u.s. economist telling us just how much that will hurt the economy and the markets,nd, of course, investors and everyon in this country in today's money lineup, news on the economy brought life to wall street today inspiring some investors, the news an unexpectedncrease in factory orders up for a second straight month, and the biggest gains in productivity in the third quarter in two years. business activity, along with new orders, showing their biggest gains last month since the first quarter. stocks finished off their highs. the do up 83 appointmes at the close. the s&p gaining 2.25, and the nasdaq under the weight and prsure of the biggest stock, apple, dropping 23 points. volume today rising to alst 4%.2 billion shares. app 8 stock, as i said, today, laggerred and immense weight on e ma. that stock fell 6.5%, $37, and concerned about the lack of new products on the horizon, concern increased competition in the market might force apple to cut margins to remain
the fiscal cliff is. move a lot of the damage to the economy on january 1. let's go ahead and pass that. we can debate the upper income taxes and the spending later. it's not implausible, you can make a sophisticated argument why it's a mistake but as a first blush argument the president has the advantage. >> bret: juan? >> i think that you are starting to see much of the posturing and the poxing and the -- positioning and the democrats and president have advantage and trying to take advantage of it. you see it from the polls that come out and most people blame republicans if there is to deal. right now just what you saw from speaker boehner. speaker boehner says the president is asking for $1.6 trillion in terms of added revenue. boehner has come out and said he will do a deal with $800 billion, which is what the president was asking for before. what you have is the outline now, the early outlines of some in between spot where they could in fact find middle ground. then you have the democrats trying to put pressure on the republicans to name their own cuts. where would you cut in addition
the fiscal cliff? >> everybody agrees. >> going over the fiscal cliff will hurt our economy and will hurt job creation in our country. >>er -- every family in america will see their taxes automatically go up at the beginning of next year. >> shepard: so how to avoid that. >> the president and congress will either fail together or we will succeed together. >> there has to be a deal. there has to be an agreement. >> and if they can't come up with a compromise, we are all going to pay the price. plus, they are some of the biggest names in baseball. bonds, clemens, sosa. all three tainted by accusations they used performance enhancing drugs. but should that keep them from cooper's town? tonight, the great debate over baseball's hall of fame ballot but first from fox this wednesday night, the president hopes who have the framework of a deal to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff by christmas. president obama says he would like congress to pass a bill even sooner to extend tax cuts for the middle class families. and he invited some of those middle class americans to the white house today to help make
statements. members of his own party seemed quite comfortable with sending the economy over the fiscal cliff. we have a dairy production cuts tuesday we had productive conversation at the white house. despite the claims that the president supports a balanced approach, the democrats have yet to get serious about real spending cuts. secondly, no substantive progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. this is not a game. jobs are on the line. the american economy is on the line. this is a moment for adult leadership. campaign-style or allies is not aid -- campaign-style rally is not the way to get things done in washington. a discussion with the treasury secretary was frank and direct. we hope to see a specific plan for cutting spending. we sought to find out but the president is unwilling to do. i remain hopeful that productive conversations can be had in the days ahead. but the white house has to get serious. yesterday the leadership team met with erskine bowles and business leaders about averting the fiscal cliff and achieving an approac
need to have fundamental tax reform tied in to the fiscal cliff negotiations or we are never going to get anywhere on that front and that is dragging the economy down. i think taxes have to be higher. $400 billion out of medicare is about what gets cut every year anyway. medicare has been cut from the baseline every year in budgets for as long as i can remember. [talking over each other] connell: that the democrats would sign on to? what number could you get if you had $400 billion? >> something that addresses the fact that there are $40 trillion in unfunded medicare liabilities over the rest of this century. i am adding that up, $400 billion doesn't get it done. connell: have to remember these things are stretched over ten years. in one case it was 12 years and we thought was 10. steve murphy, thanks for coming on. dagen: the u.s. embassy meantime in egypt now closed amid protests in the country against president mohammad morsi. voting has started on the new constitution. kc mcfarland, formerly distance secretary of defense and fox news national security analyst, great to see you.
. >> members of his own party seem quite comfortable of sending the economy over the fiscal cliff. >> reporter: the president sent timothy geithner to the hill with had $4 trillion plan. it includes 1.6 trillion in new taxes on upper income americans. 400 billion in cuts to medicare and other entitlement programs. and $50 billion in new spending on infrastructure and unemployment benefits. the biggest stumbling block remain. the new taxes on the wealthiest americans. while some republicans here in congress are hinting they might be open to the idea the majority seemed opposed. >> raising rates on the so-called rich is the holy grail of liberalism. their aim isn't job creation, they are interested in wealth distribution. >> reporter: the white house insists the president won't sign any bill that doesn't include higher taxes for top earners. >> this shouldn't be news to anyone on capitol hill. >> reporter: the white house called the proposal an opening bid, republicans called it a joke. now republicans have not yet put any comparable plan on the table. they seem willing to accept half the revenu
: is anyone else sick of talking about the fiscal cliff? a year ago facing a stagnant economy and long term deficit everybody in washington agreed they should come together to make the tough decisions that had to be made. something that would provide short-term stimulus but long-term debt relief. after all we all knew something had to be done. the health of our nation depended on it. washington surprise, surprise, decided to delay for the umpteenth time kicking the proverbial can down the road. then the campaign really heated up and we were told we would have our sweet relief after the election. finally the story went voters would provide clarity, a choice played out across the country that would deliver the elusive answers. what are we getting? endless posturing game playing and the same rhetoric over and over again. both sides standing up and preening themselves campaign style as if they expect the public to pay attention and give deference to the repetition of the same ideas. i for one are tired of it. americans have been poked and prodded, pulled left and right at the same time and used
house at the business roundtable about the economy. fiscal cliff certainly the issue in the short term for a lot of big businesses and certainly for a lot of american taxpayers. however, long term is another story when it comes to the economy, and entitlements, the president referring to that as well. as we continue to get that feedback you can check it out foxnews.com, in the meantime we're going to move onto other news as well. >> reporter: and so let's begin with the violence that is appearing to really spiral out of control. secretary of state hillary clinton says she fears a desperate president bashar al-assad in syria may resort to using chemical weapons on his own people. in the meantime, the united nations is hint thag there wil hinting that there will be no asylum for bashar al-assad as the syrian dictator makes it clear that he will die before leaving the country under any circumstances. what is going on behind the scenes, for that we turn to corn powell following all the latest developments from our mideast bureau in jerusalem. connor. >> reporter: the international and inte
of his own party seem quite comfortable with sending the economy over the fiscal cliff. on tuesday, we had productive conversation at the white house. despite the claims that the president supports a balanced approach, the democrats have yet to get serious about real spending cuts. secondly, no substantive progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. this is not a game. jobs are on the line. the american economy is on the line. this is a moment for adult leadership. campaign-style rallies are not the way to get things done in washington. a discussion with the treasury secretary was frank and direct. we hope to see a specific plan for cutting spending. we sought to find out what the president is willing to do. i remain hopeful that productive conversations can be had in the days ahead. but the white house has to get serious. yesterday, the house leadership team met with erskine bowles and business leaders about averting the fiscal cliff and achieving an approach the white house says it wants. i made clear that we put real concessions
can take action on things we agree on. it's good for everybody, the economy, fiscal cliff and it would set a tone here in washington that we can get something done when we work together cooperatively. so we've been explicit, specific. we look forward to specificity from republicans. >> there are now countdown clocks -- [inaudible] those of us who have been lucky enough to study the legislative body we have an idea of how things go. there's more and more lawmakers who look at it and say it's december 15th. if you have an agreement and have the time necessary for it to be read, digest it, debated before christmas. the president shares that timeline. it's not december 1st. it's something of a practical matter much earlier than that. is that is that in any way create a sense of urgency? >> the sooner the better that we receive specificity from republicans about what it is they would do on revenues, for example, what it is they want on spending cuts, for example. we will be able to move forward and we look forward to doing that. in terms of the congressional club, i too enjoyed congress whe
the recovery started. now, i'm not going to blame it all on the fiscal cliff. we have a slowing economy. we have slowing economies around the world. but i was at a dinner with a bunch of ceos in washington who are interested and care about this fiscal issue on monday night. and they were talking about we're not hiring. we're allowing attrition to happen. we're holding back on big spending. we want to see what happens here before we go forward. what's interesting about this is that the consumer seems to have a different view. the consumer -- for the consumer so far, this has sort of passed by. i wouldn't say blissful ignorance, but it has not affected their behavior. you had a fairly strong set of economic numbers this fall. the housing market seems to have finally turned up after a period of obviously deep decline. and so consumer confidence, which is one of our best proxies for this kind of thing, has been turning up and really does not yet -- the fiscal cliff does not yet seem to have penetrated their consciousness. for those of us who were in stores over the holiday weekend, stores are c
, we go off the fiscal cliff, what does it mean for you? >> we know the economy needs to grow at 3%, probably closer to 4% or better in order to create new jobs, to make up for the increase in population. right now our unemployment rate has been unacceptablebly hi-fi longtime, around 7.9%. unless the economy is growing, you're not creating the jobs necessary to bring the unemployment down. if we go off the cliff, the economy will quit growing as fast, as a matter of fact going into negative growth or recession. a lot of people will be put out of work and no new jobs being created because of the uncertainty of the eoonomy. >> greta: why do you think the president would want us to go off the fiscal cliff? why do we have the brinkmanship? >> he sees this as ultimate leverage. i think he also thinks he got a mandate from the election, which he's mistaken about. we got exactly the same after the election as we had before, which is decided government, which to means the american public trust neither political party to have all the answers. last time we had the president's party in comple
over the fiscal cliff because it would be a big drag on the economy. >> but are you willing to do that? >> what we're willing to do is come up with a package that both accelerates economic recovery, but also begins to reduce the long term deficit and the president's been very clear that that means asking higher income earn eaers to pay who are. more. so the real question is whether republicans will agree with tom cole who the other day said we should agree with the president. so let's get that done. let's not hold the middle class hostage to getting a bonus tax break for folks at the top. so it was great to hear tom come forward on that. obviously he's taken some heat within his caucus, but that would obviously avoid the fiscal cliff. >> congressman chriss van hollen, thanks so much. appreciate it. >>> so he mentioned tom cole. let me play what he had to say. >> the president is willing to accept 80% of the bush tax cuts for 9d 8% of the american peopl and make them permanent, we should do that and continue to fight for the things we believe in. >> so, chris, you know john boehner said
of the economy that is improving a little bit. will the president's plan for the fiscal cliff it it were put in place suck out the light from the housing market? would it? morgan brennan with forms magazine. here is my premise. the president wants huge increases in taxes, no entitlement reform and open season on borrowing as much money as you like. i save that slows the economy and hurt housing and you say what? >> has the potential to hurt housing especially the idea of tax increases and families making $215,000 or more. we are in new york city, they are taking them to $50,000 or more is middle class so i think if you start to take the income away your going to see americans start to full back on the home they buy. stuart: slows the whole economy and housing with as well. there is another situation. a don't know if it was in the president's plan, putting some kind of cap on mortgage interest deduction, a bigger cap then there is now. what does that do to the housing market? >> that is proposed, and from 35% to 20%. that would for a family, maybe rights of on interest deductions each year, t
all, be all to not go over the fiscal cliff? keeping that in mind, would that wreck havoc in the business community? >> yeah. i can't speak for all business leaders but generally speaking a tax hike, a rate increase is not good for the economy especially at this time. this process is very disappointing. after everything we have been through and after the cam pin and the election, it seems like it's still a same tactical political poker it's always been. and the problem here is the world is watching. and it's almost like our system is being tested. can these guys still -- can these folks, these people, the congress, can the system still solve problems? >> we're -- the system is being tested by the very people who are -- which is odd. >> i know. >> they don't have to test it. they don't have to test the system. they can come to agreement without testing the system or that close. >> they should be able to. right, right. what i'd want to do is a spirit of, boy, get this done and forget parties. think of the nation. >> yeah. >> you don't see that. now, what speaker boehner said
of growth next year. even if there is a fiscal cliff hit to the economy, they are in better shape to survive it. the bread and butter were the suvs, big cars. a lot of car enthusiasts and people like me love to look at expensive sports cars like the chevrolet camaros. they have switched to, what is selling well is very small cars like this 2013 chevrolet spark. you can see the price tag here, very recession, post recession conscious. $15,000 for this car. now, among the new products offered is an all-electric version of the spark. it will only be sold in california and oregon, initially. some of the innovations here, you will be able to charge this car in 20 minutes, up to 80% of its charge. gm not saying how far it will go on the charge, somewhere under 100 miles. this is definitely a commuter car. this is the mix the auto makers are going to. smaller cars is what's driving the industry right now. >> does it appear to be business as usual in terms of car buyers or how does the situation in washington affect this year's auto show? a lot of people don't know what their tax rates are going to
there'd been no progress on a fiscal cliff deal. but stocks rose later, on news that the economy grew at an annual rate of 2.7% in the third quarter. the dow jones industrial average gained more than 36 points to close well above 13,021. the nasdaq rose 20 points to close at 3,012. the united nations general assembly voted today to recognize palestine as a non- member observer state. the tally was 138 to nine, with 41 abstentions. the u.s. voted no. it came after palestinian president mahmoud abbas appealed to the world body to issue the birth certificate of palestine. >> we did not come here seeking to delegitimize a state established years ago, and that is israel. rather, we came to affirm the legitimacy of a state that must now achieve its independence, and this is palestine. >> sreenivasan: palestinians said the vote would strengthen their hand in future peace talks with israel. but the israeli ambassador to the u.n., ron prosor, warned that the palestinians are turning their backs on peace. >> for as long as president abbas prefers symbolism over reality, as long as he prefers to
, anything? >> reporter: you know this. the fiscal cliff is going to have a huge impact on the economy. in fact, a big european economic group this week dialed back its estimates for u.s. economic growth this year. and other economists are warning that things may not be so rosie, partly because of concerns about the cliff. now, businesses are already cutting back, even though corporate profits are up. and when you look at today's report, here's the interesting part, carol. government spending, federal government spending is a huge reason why the economy grew in q3. it rose 9.5%. but here's the thing. if you slash that government spending, if and when the fiscal cliff goes into effect, that can really eat into gdp and is part of the reason the congressional budget office has said if we do go over the cliff, the u.s. could go back into a recession. carol? >> alison kosik at the new york stock exchange. >>> well, someone is waking up this morning as a multimillionaire. winning tickets for the powerball's record-breaking $580 million jackpot were sold in arizona and missouri. last night's
one month until the economy is set to go off the fiscal cliff. trading fire over looming tax hikes and spending cuts that threaten to plunge the economy into recession. affecting the lives of every single american. hello, everyone. i'm heather childers. welcome to another hour of america's headquarters. >> gregg: i'm gregg gregg jarrett. president obama is promoting his so-called balanced approach. republican leaders say the president's plan leaves the budget talks at a stand still. >> we've got some agreements about the high end tax cuts. republicans don't want to raise taxes on folks like me. i think i can pay a little bit more. >> they want to have this extra spending that's actually greater than the amount they're willing to cut. i mean, it was not a serious proposal. so right now we're almost nowhere. >> gregg: steve centanni has more. >> the two sides taking verbal pot shots, but not really coming to any kind of agreement adds the clock continues ticking. the president hit the road yesterday using a campaign style appearance in pennsylvania to appeal directly to the american
disasters. we don't need to navigate the fiscal cliff. that will hurt the economy. when the economy is bad, less people travel commercially for leisure, less people send packages. it hurts us and again, razor thin profit margin, we need a good economy, we need the economy good overt long haul. it's good for business. >> gretchen: do you think they were actually listening to what you had to say? >> i think they were. >> gretchen: really? >> yeah. i think it was a good discussion because the business radio he said were talking about what the impact of going overt cliff would be and also with a it would be down the line. >> gretchen: but so much, nick, of what's been discussed in the press is only about increasing taxes. you just got done talking about the fact that a stool falls over unless you have the other legs there. did you get the sense in these insider talks that people are actually going to take on entitlement reform? >> i think behind the scenes talk, yes. right now there is a lot of public posturing going on and that, i think, i personally think that's a problem because in the nego
. >> i was. >> thanks. >> as washington continues to wrangle over the fiscal cliff, there's one on the chopping block that could have an impact on our economy. >> plus, new controversy in the middle east as israel celebrates construction plans and what it means for the stalled peace talks and security in the region. john walton weighs in. >> looking forward to talking to him. and new information recording the internet blackout, stay with us, folks, we'll be right back. rop? campbell's has 24 new soups that will make it drop over, and over again. ♪ from jammin' jerk chicken, to creamy gouda bisque. see what's new from campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do. gives you a low $18.50 monthly plan premium... and select generic hypertension drugs available for only a penny... so you can focus on what really matters. call humana at 1-800-808-4003. ♪ >> welcome back. got a developing story to talk to you about out of syria right now he where the country's internet service is reportedly back on following a two day nationwide blackout as syrian rebels make a strategic push for, con
. and provides a 6-point explanation to back it up. is the economy headed for that fiscal cliff? is all of this negotiating dead in the water? let's bring in our panel. monica crowley, radio talk show host and author of monomemo.com. jewelry roginsky former political advisor to senator frank lautenberg of new jersey. both fox news contributors. you say the president is not interested in compromise at all? >> no. i have just wrote a whole book about this called, what the bleep just happened. i traced first four years of his presidency. anytime he proposed a economic proposal or physical proposal it contained the exact same elements, which is tax hikes, more spending, not less, no entitlement reform and pushing up the debt limit as far and as fast as possible. this should come as no big surprise here. it is not a big mystery who this guy is. a pure leftist ideologue who will not compromise. jon: julie, he ran a platform saying let's raise the two top tax rates in this country. if he did that would raise $850 billion in revenue. he is asking for a trillion six. he is asking for twice what
and washington continues to push america's economy toward a fiscal cliff. republicans offered president obama a proposal that retained the bush tax cuts for the wealthy, and now they say the ball is in the president's court. >> this week we made a good faith offer to avert the fiscal crisis. now we need a response from the white house. we can't sit here and negotiate with ourselves. >> both sides promise to cut trillions from government spending over the next decade, but the republicans insist they can do it without raising taxes on the rich. president obama insists that's a nonstarter. he shared his message with rich folks at the business round table. he told them they could handle paying more in taxes. >> let's allow higher rates to go up for the top 2%, that includes all of you, yes. but not in any way that will affect your spending, your lifestyles, or the economy in any significant way. >> business round table is a lobby group made up of some of the country's biggest ceos, ceos of some of the country's bigg gt companies. if you don't know what the fiscal cliff is, you've probably been li
he cannot promise we won't go off the fiscal cliff. speaker boehner says he is doing everything he can to avoid the cliff but acknowledged that there is a chance we will in fact go over the edge. >> thank you. >> shannon: now if the country does go over the fiscal cliff marx worry there could be cutback to entitlement programs like social security and medicare and programs that the government uses to keep you healthy. joinings now, registered nurse and republican congresswoman from tennessee diane black. former california insurance commissioner, democratic congressman john giramendi. welcome to you both. >> good morning. >> thank you for having us. >> shannon: something to keep an eye on the issue of doctor reimbursement fee under medicare. if nothing happens those will drop by 27%. come january 1. we know ra lot of doctors are limiting the number of medicare patients they will take in. if they don't get the numbers up what happens next? >> this is why we need reform over medicare. we know we are not going to cut doctors by 27%. if we were to do that, there would be no access for s
, the economy, if, in fact, we do go over the fiscal cliff, taxes will go up, major spending cuts will kick in. this weekend republican south carolina congressman seth graham said he thinks that we're going to go off the fiscal cliff in fact and he said this, i think we're going to go over the cliff, it seems to me that they made a political calculation. this offer doesn't remotely deal with entitlement reform in a way to save medicare, medicaid and social security from imminent bankruptcy. senator richard blumenthal is a democrat from the state of connecticut. he joins us this morning. >> good to see you. >> you heard lindsey graham saying he thinks we're going off the cliff. you think that's true? >> i respectfully disagree. i'm really encouraged that we can avoid this fiscal cliff for a number of reasons. first of all, there is a growing group of republicans who say we really need to raise revenue, not just talk about raising revenue, but actually increase taxes on the wealthiest 2%. and they're willing to consider those kinds of taxes that the president proposed so that middle-class americ
%. wall street got a boost from the fiscal cliff talks. dow added 106 points after being down triple digits earlier in the day. nasdaq gained 23 points. the u.s. economy is growing at a steady pace according to the latest report from the federal reserve. the so-called beige book survey shows a pickup in consumer spending and home sales in october and early november. economic growth improved in nine of the 12 federal reserve districts but superstorm sandy hampered growth in the northeast. could the dollar bill be going the way of the doo-doo. a congressional panel is once again calling for the u.s. to stop printing singles and switch entirely to dollar coins. the nonpartisan panel believes it could save taxpayers money. it's more expensive to produce coins but they last about six times longer than paper bills. and you'll need some extra coins to buy starbucks latest. the coffee king is selling a new brew that will set you back $7 for a grande cup. it's made from a rare been grown in costa rica. if you want to brew a cup at home, a bag of the new coffee will cost $40. that will keep me
the fiscal cliff. but without spending cuts an entitlement reforms it will be impossible to address our country's debt ace crisis and get our economy growing again and create jobs. right now all eyes are on the white house. our country doesn't need a victory lap, it needs leadership. it is time for the president, congressional democrats, to tell the american people what spending cuts they're really willing to make. with that i will take a few questions. >> speaker boehner, why would you not tell democrats what spending cuts you would like to see -- [inaudible] >> it has been very clear over the last year-and-a-half. i've talked to the president about many of them. you can look at our budget. where we outline very specific proposals that we passed in last year's budget and the budget from the year before. we know what the menu is. what we don't know is what the white house is willing to do to get serious about solving our debt crisis. >> [inaudible]. >> listen, i'm not going to get into the details but it is very clear what kind of spending cuts need to occur but we have no idea what the
's economy goes over the so-called fiscal cliff. the white house and congressional republicans said to be deadlocked. president obama released his plan. it includes 1.6 trillion dollars in new tax increases. 50 billion in new stimulus spending. and stimulus, and new power to raise the debt ceiling without congressional approval. tim geithner, john boehner appearing with chris wallace on fox news sunday. >> we're nowhere, period. we're nowhere. we put a serious offer on the table by putting revenues up there to get this question resolved but the white house has responded with virtually nothing. they have actually asked for more revenue than they have been asking the whole entire time. >> in kind of a tough position now. it is going to be, obviously a little hard for them now. they're trying to figure out where they go next. we might need to give them a little more time to let them go next. we did what you expect from us. we laid out a very detailed, carefully designed set of spending savings and tax changes that help put us back on a path to fiscal responsibility. bill: where are we
in that direction? >> look, republicans are willing to make sure we don't go over this fiscal cliff, but at the same time don't harm this economy. what has to happen here, the president shows a little leadership, we're willing to sit in the room, we're willing to get this done. that's why you saw a proposal that's reasonable, that meets his criteria, that sets out -- martha: all right, well, let me ask you this then, congressman. in your proposal there are some changes to medicare in terms of increasing the age of eligibility. if the white house were to come back and say we would go along with some of those changes, which they in the past i should point out and as you well know have said that's not imoacial, if they were willing to do that, would you be willing to give them tax revenue which they seem to be, you know, committed to getting? it doesn't, the way they want it isn't in increased tax rate. is that a negotiation if those two things were to happen? >> understand what's transpiring here. the president said on the campaign trail he wanted 800 billion in revenue. we're providing him 800 billio
discussing the fiscal cliff. i think the shared concerns of governors that we address are fiscal challenges in a way that ensures the economy continues to grow and create jobs. with that, i'll take your questions. >> thanks, jay. two questions. in the bloomberg interview, the president was asked whether tax rates on the wealthiest americans have to go to the clean ton levels, 39.6% now. is that a red line? he never answered it directly, a process where rates could go down next year as far as tax reform. you talked with fiscal rates need to go up. what he campaigned on was the 39.6 at the end of the year. is that the case? >> so, let me say this, the president has been absolutely clear, as have i, that rates have to go up on top earners, on millionaires and billionaires, those making over $250,000. the president made that clear all yearlong and clear in the post-election period being engaged in conversations with congress about how to deal with the fiscal cliff, and our long term deficit challenges. we have yet to see even an acknowledgement of republican leaders of the fact that there is no
sorry, no way, are we going to raise rates on the wealthy, you guys are willing to go off the fiscal cliff? >> if republicans are not willing to let rates go back up, and we think they should go back to the clinton levels, a time when the economy was doing exceptionally well, then there will not be an agreement. >> let's go to the other side. republican house speaker john boehner also digging in, admitting that talks are going nowhere. speaker boehner also describing the moment when geithner first showed him the president's opening offer. >> i was flabbergasted. i looked at him, i said, "you can't be serious." i've just never seen anything like it. you know, we've got seven weeks between election day and the end of the year. and three of those weeks have been wasted with this nonsense. right now i would say we're nowhere, period. we're nowhere. we've put a serious offer on the table by putting revenues up there to try to get this question resolved. but the white house has responded with virtually nothing. they've actually asked for more revenue than they've been asking for the whole
of the fiscal cliff. >> eliot: you're saying something hugely important. alan greenspan did try to create the impression that the market and the economy was one and the same. that was a huge mistake the financialization of our economy. that's what led to the cataclysm in 2008. perhaps more important, the point you made, you're right there are a lot of people who are trying to create the fear, the cassandras that i referred to the top of the show who are behind that argument who say now you must do what we want. they want corporate tax cut. am i right? they're sliding something in there that is not directly related to the issue that we're supposed to be directing. >> everyone is doing that. doing the negotiation with the union or any other negotiation you start off with what speaker boehner is calling your la la land proposal. you start off with what you want, and then you work from there. both sides have staked out their dream position, and that's not where we're going to wind up, but that's where you starter and it's kabuki theater, as you said. >> eliot: the components that may not be a
year. of course, if the fiscal cliff does come to be and the economy slows or dips back into recession, things will really slow down. what automakers are doing is continuing to push the sales of smaller cars, which is what the public wants, because tgas prics are rising. sales of these types of vehicles do real well in places like california where people drive long distances and where a lot of people are very concerned about the environment and want to drive hybrid or electric vehicles. so even though they haven't been so strong throughout the rest of the country, companies like general motors continue to push ahead with these vehicles. here is their newest introduction, which will be on the market in 2014. only available for sale in california and in oregon initially. this is the chevy spark. it is an all electric vehicle that will get somewhere south of 100 miles on a full charge. what's really cool about this vehicle is you'll be able to charge it up to 80% capacity in just 20 minutes. that is a challenge, though, getting the rest of america outside of places like california to buy
who argue that we should go off the fiscal cliff, that it will push them to negotiate a sort of more thoughtful deal -- >> right. >> -- they say that it's not a fiscal cliff, it's, you know, more of a slope. having said that, what is your thought on the psychological impact if we go off the cliff? >> it's huge. it's tremendous. it's absolutely tremendous because it will go across the board from regular americans who are going to see their taxes go up from $500 to $2,000 for middle-income household. this is going to affect their bottom line tremendously. that's groceries. that's saving money. that's their savings money for the year. but also what about mortgage interest? will that affect the housing market? there may be initial -- basically, it will go back down again, the housing market. or if it gets phased in, maybe we'll see a jump because people will rush in before the deduction completely goes away. but i think there's a lot of concern and a lot of panic among regular americans about will i lose these tax deductions? and what's that going to do to the ability to pay all my bills
to the fiscal cliff. they gave themselves a ton of time to work this out. what would happen to the economy if a deal similar to the president's plan were to go into effect? fox business network stuart varney joins me right now. you listen to nancy pelosi. they made all kinds of painful concessions in order to just even put this first plan out there. melissa: look you put in place a plan like the president has proposed and it is a recipe for real economic trouble, maybe even a recession. martha, just for a second, take the politics out of this. consider where we're starting from. we have 8% unemployment, very slow growth and we have 3.5 billion added every day to our national debt. if you impose this massive tax increase and take away any restraint on the government borrowing of new money you're looking at potential higher unemployment, that the real danger you have runaway borrowing and set up what is called a debt crisis at some point in the future. this plan or anything like it, if it is imposed january the 1st is very bad news for the economy. martha: you know, democrats say republicans
off with a recession. which is exactly what will happen if we go off the fiscal cliff. >> and he wants to solve this problem. i really believe if we solve this problem, the economy is going to take off. >> but solve it in a big way. don't you agree, governor? >> absolutely. >> we have to go big on this. >> we can't kick the can down the road. sorry we're taking the show over from you. >> i needed a breather, anyway, you're chairman of the fix the debt group. democrats at this point, do you think they are -- dealing seriously enough with entitlement reforms? >> i think some of them like senator durbin are, but there are a lot of people on left of our party, the progressive wing of the party, very progressive wing that haven't come to grips with what i said at the beginning and what susan echoed. that if we're going to ask the republicans to raise rates and raise, i think somewhere around $1.3 trillion in revenue, then we've got to give them something that their base cares about so they can do it. so they can actually make the deal and close the deal. i don't think we're aware of that ye
about the u.s. economy. i think consumers are where it's at. we just got to get over this fiscal cliff thing. >> jonathan capehart. >> i learned president morsi of egypt is fanatical about "planet of the apes." >> that is really all you need to know. jonathan, thank you so much. rana, steve, michael and everybody, thank you for watching today. if it's "way too early," it's "morning joe." chuck todd is next with "the daily rundown." >>> together again. mitt romney makes his way to the white house. it's not exactly the way he wanted to get there. but can something constructive come out of a private lunch between president obama and the man he defeated just three weeks ago? that's right. that was just three weeks ago. >>> also this morning, a deep dive into america's longest war. look into lessons learned and the sacrifices made by troops at one combat outpost. tell us about what's been accomplished and what's not in more than a decade of fighting. as the country wakes up obsessed with numbers and winners, for the lottery, that, we've got a very important update on the election night numb
fiscal cliff ahead of us you will see a lot of buyer's remorse around super saturday, the last saturday before christmas. retailers had $3.4 billion in returned fraud last year. so they definitely will be out. and keeping the return policies very strict and stringent this year. >> jamie: so if you get something you want; particularly, with the gift cards, which i understand will be stricter this year. can you maneuver us around the system? can we bend the rules a bit? is it negotiable? >> everything is negotiable. that is the number one rule. especially when it comes to returns, it's in the execution. so get to the store early. don't come at lunchtime. have your gift, whatever you want to return ready to go. you know, know the receipts. keep the tags on. when all else fails just, you know, pony up to the manager and tell them exactly what is going on and what you want. you will be surprised what you can get out of the simple negotiations. >> jamie: sometimes you get someone at the counter and they flat lisa nope. if the manager comes over, what is being kind and being nice helps. but is
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by going over this fiscal cliff. >> crazy? betting the country? well, according to the congressional budget office, bowles has a good reason for saying what he did. the economy would go into a recession, economic output would drop and unemployment rate would go back up to 9.1% by the end of next year. now, the clock is ticking. john and harry, get out of the sand box. 33 days are left. peter difazio of oregon is "outfront" tonight. let me just get a response from you about timothy geithner's plan that he put on the table. 1.6 trillion in revenue. $400 billion in cuts. i'm a little confused because the president said he will give $2.50 in spending cuts for every dollar in revenue. this is, this is the opposite. >> well, finally, the white house has learned not to negotiate with itself, but with the opposition, which is the republicans. remember, there is no real cliff. on january 1st, the only thing that goes away is the social security tax holiday and nobody is seriously talking about continuing that. all the other tax increases don't take place until sometime around march. gives congress p
the american economy and the american people through the fiasco of going over the fiscal cliff. as i told the president a couple of weeks ago, there are in a glut of things i have wanted a detriment of, but almost all of them had a price tag attached to them. if we're going to talk above the debt limit, there will be depressed as a seated with it. i continue to believe any increase until the debt limit meats are exceeded. >> could after an in. we have just had a meeting with the secretariat of the treasury. it was a very productive meeting. this does not have to be a cliffhanger. it has already passed the senate. democrats are prepared to vote for it. we urge our republican colleagues and the house. let's give a christmas present to the republican people. this confidence that will give them as consumers will give confidence to the markets as well. the president has been clear, and we support him on holding firm to the expiration of tax cuts making 200 to dozen dollars a year. that would be part of a package. we have already voted for cut. revenues are needed and a job creation is needed i
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